Hello guys,

I'm not completelly sure, if this problem is related to KIDE, but maybe you had similar experience or can clafiry, what I'm doing wrong.
RS10L, E02

Few days ago we were completing the project - everything worked fine, but customer asked, if they can change prog via USB stick.
When I tried to load program I created in KIDE from usb (with and without robot data) I've got CPU error D0001 and controller froze, had to turn it off.
Later I realized that it does also when I load it from KIDE (when I check auxdata and sysdata to load)
I always crashed at this point :
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I then tried to save the .as file directly from controller to USB and then load back.
It was able to upload, but also poped errors :
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I was playing with it a bit back at office in Kroset, and it was crashing Kroset in exact same spot as real robot.

I contacted Kawa support of course, they suggested to do the init of the robot, but I have a feeling that I will end up the same result.(Can't test it out propely, the robot is at customer quite far away)
I tried to upload the empty backup for that robot they send me from Kwasaki(I could only do it in Kroset for now) and after uploading ALL data, I also had about 10 errors (not sure what erorrs, since it switches language to Japaneese), is that normal ?

Also I tried backup from different robot (also RS010L) and it did the same as abowe.
Just to clarify - the backups are not mixed - I mean the robot data - there are the proper backups from that particular robot.

Both robots are working without problems.

Could it be related somehow with KIDE downloading the backup and kinda... broking it ?

Thank you!

Dear Filip,

thank you for your description! I have read your text with much interest and have not yet heard of such an error. The faulty part of the AS file seems to be the signal name area.

I'm quiet not sure about what happend but I guess it may have something to do with the length of the name string or the characters in the signal names.

Can you send me the signal name part of the AS file you tried to load via USB? It is part of the .AUXDATA section of the AS file. Please also tell me the language settings of your robot controller.

Dear Christian,

I've sent you the backup in PM.

I had the same idea, but when creating names, the KIDE warns you, if the names are too long - but truth to be told, my colleague was creating some of the names, and I did not check every single one of them, but he told me, he had no warining when creating them, and he knows about the lenght limitation. But I can check that, just to be sure.

I tought it was maybe because of the special characters in comments of signals (č, š, í ...) , but I tried that - empty project with one signal and special comment, works fine.

Regarding the loading problem, in previous post, I didn't wrote it correctly - it crashes KRoset only when loading from TP via Save/Load function.
When uploading from KIDE it throws errorrs. (tested in KRoset only)
Regarding the languages in both mentioned robots - I'm not sure, there were some options pre-installed, so it came with language set to English.
Or at least I think (The robot in our office had option to set Czech language, but it was still in English - not sure what is that about)


And there is another thing we found out, maybe related to this :

I was doing some testing in the office, we have a empty RS07L here.
When I downloaded backup via KIDE and then copy it to usb stick, I tried to load it from it, it throws 17 errors (loading robot data).

But when I created backup directly from controller to usb stick and load it back, it works no probs including robot data, it also works when uploading that backup via KIDE.
Wierd, huh? The RS07L had Czech language set.

Dear Filip,

thank you for the AS file! I checked it and found some errors in that file:

1. There are some empty lines in the .AUXDATA section
2. The section .SIG_COMMENT does not have a finel .END

Dear Christian,

Thank you for founding the problem. I checked the backups from both mentioned robots RS010L and there was missing that .END in both cases, weird.

Regarding those empty spaces,I noticed them, I wasn't sure if that could be a problem because I checked multiple backups from mutliple robots and a lot of them had those empty lines and was able to load them with no probs I think.
I'm not sure why they are they there, wierd thing is, I cannot delete them, they always appear again.

Regarding the loading - no, I never upload system data - except for AS file comment - what is it actually ?
I'm doing it since training - I was told, that AS file comment is sepparating the signals, so when you download backup from robot, they are not all under Reals - I was told wrong ? Could this be broking the backups ?

When I transfer changes between robots, I usually copy-paste one-by-one the stuff I need bewtween robot projects, so I dont mess up the system data. That export function looks much faster tho :) going to use it next time.

Anyways , so to store and load back full backups is better to use SAVE/LOAD function on TP and save it on usb stick ?

Thank you.

EDIT: Ok so, I was not able to add the .END there in KIDE, it always disapperd after re-opening. I had to do it in text editor.

And another thing came to mind :
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My colleague did a comment on signal like this, could it cause some trobules ? Maybe not allow to use " " in comments ? :)

Sorry, can't edit previous post anymore.

I know why I was having trouble saving it with .END.
When I save/save as the .as file and re-open, it deletes the .END behind .SIG_COMMENT !
It even does it on good .as files, that previously had .END.
(Tested multiple backups from multiple robots, same result.)

KIDE version 1.0

Dear Filip,

Zitat von FilipTokarcik_SDA im Beitrag #5

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Thank you for founding the problem. I checked the backups from both mentioned robots RS010L and there was missing that .END in both cases, weird.

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Zitat von FilipTokarcik_SDA im Beitrag #5

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Regarding those empty spaces,I noticed them, I wasn't sure if that could be a problem because I checked multiple backups from mutliple robots and a lot of them had those empty lines and was able to load them with no probs I think.
I'm not sure why they are they there, wierd thing is, I cannot delete them, they always appear again.

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Zitat von FilipTokarcik_SDA im Beitrag #5

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Regarding the loading - no, I never upload system data - except for AS file comment - what is it actually ?
I'm doing it since training - I was told, that AS file comment is sepparating the signals, so when you download backup from robot, they are not all under Reals - I was told wrong ? Could this be broking the backups ?

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Zitat von FilipTokarcik_SDA im Beitrag #5

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When I transfer changes between robots, I usually copy-paste one-by-one the stuff I need bewtween robot projects, so I dont mess up the system data. That export function looks much faster tho :) going to use it next time.

Anyways , so to store and load back full backups is better to use SAVE/LOAD function on TP and save it on usb stick ?

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Zitat von FilipTokarcik_SDA im Beitrag #5

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EDIT: Ok so, I was not able to add the .END there in KIDE, it always disapperd after re-opening. I had to do it in text editor.

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Zitat von FilipTokarcik_SDA im Beitrag #5

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And another thing came to mind :
My colleague did a comment on signal like this, could it cause some trobules ? Maybe not allow to use " " in comments ? :)

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Zitat von FilipTokarcik_SDA im Beitrag #6

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I know why I was having trouble saving it with .END.
When I save/save as the .as file and re-open, it deletes the .END behind .SIG_COMMENT !
It even does it on good .as files, that previously had .END.
(Tested multiple backups from multiple robots, same result.)

KIDE version 1.0

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• Save the K-IDE project or Generate the AS source. All changes done in the K-IDE will be taken to generate a new AS source. When saving the K-IDE project, the AS source file will be generated automatically.
• Open the AS source editor and do your manual changes.
• Regenerate the K-IDE project via the button in the AS source editor.
• Save the changes.

Dear Christian,

I tried it also like that, but this is something else:

When I just open a good .as file, do nothing and only save it and close - next time when you reopen it, .END is gone behind the .SIG_COMMENT.

Dear Filip,

you are right, it is the same in the AS file I just tested here. After saving the AS file, each empty section looses it's .END.

Pleas find a bugfix here: BETA / Update 1.0.0.9

Thank you for the report!

Happy to help - thank you also for express fix :) .